Dame Dash recently joined the Art of Dialogue for an interview, where he discussed a range of topics, including the musical discographies of his former business partner Jay-Z — whom he co-founded Roc-A-Fella Records with alongside Kareem Burke in 1994 — and Ye.

When asked which artist has the superior catalog, the Harlem entrepreneur responded without hesitation, asserting that he would choose Ye.

“Kanye destroys Jay,” he continued. “It’s not even the same class. You know what I mean? As far as artistry goes and being creative and all the verticals that are stimulated, and the people — no one wants to dress like — Jay can’t do a clothing line. Kanye has a movement, he’s unstoppable.”

“Kanye don’t need nobody to fill an arena. You know, homeboy needs friends. This n—a just stands up there and just, he don’t even have to rap. He just does listening sessions in a stadium.”

Adding, “Kanye is different and he’s bipolar…He’s pure art. The world should be so grateful for Kanye’s presence because he keeps things so interesting. The world would be so boring without Kanye. It’s like Van Gogh. Like any minute he could cut his ear off while he’s painting, but it’s always art. Kanye is an artist. Jay’s not an artist…I would say Jay’s just more of a — he’s cunning, and he doesn’t mind playing with the devil.”

When asked to clarify what he meant by “cunning,” Dame explained that Jay-Z has a way of making you think he’s your brother, even if he secretly harbors negative feelings toward you. To Dame, that’s what being cunning entails.

You can watch the clip below.